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Was heisst hier "Kuechentischtheologie"? Es gibt noch viel zu tun. Packen wir's an:

Wer wohl hinsichtlich Halloween mehr Kenntnis hat - Freund oder Gayle? Ich weiss es nicht. Aber ich habe schoene Hinweise.

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Kirche in Pensacola, FL ist verkauft (siehe fruehere Eintraege)

What happens in Pensacola, won't stay in Pensacola!
I took the time and really listened to the recording of the meeting held in Pensacola. I for one, could hear how heartbroken and disappointed the members are over getting the shaft (without grease) from the ministers they seem to love. How sad. Deaconess advocated on their behalf, or this meeting would have never taken place. Unfortunately, I really think something bigger and much more sinister is driving this type of behavior. A church was sold, and while NONAC actually owns it, the members feel that they have some legitimate right to ownership as well. I know how they feel. I am now scared that the same thing will happen where I live.

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I don't know if this fits here ….

A while ago I listened to a radio program. I can't remember all the details, but it should not be that hard to find out. There have been situations where congregations have sued the denomination, and in all cases in the past 40 years, the court sided with the congregation and gave them and the pastor/rector the property and local bank accounts despite the deeds and bylaws of the denomination. I can't remember the courts argument, but I think all that was needed was the pastor with a 60% agreeing congregation. I thought of this before I left as rector, but I had to admit to myself that I will not have a 60% membership siding with me against the church no matter how much they "liked" me. I think it would work, but not in the NAC, the congregations are just not that brave IMHO.

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PHIL413 bezieht sich auf die U.S.A.

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Synode der NAC U.S.A. fuer September 2010 mit StAp Leber geplant: Click!

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das kurz-protokoll der nak-usa-vorsteher-synode von 2002: wow. just wow.

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Hat etwas Bestimmtes Sie beeindruckt? Oder anders gefragt, wissen Sie jetzt eher, woran Sie bei der NAK sind?

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für dich gilt das gleiche wie für 42: gerne per du...

Hat etwas Bestimmtes Sie beeindruckt? Oder anders gefragt, wissen Sie jetzt eher, woran Sie bei der NAK sind?

tja, wo soll ich anfangen? ich versuche es mal in der reihenfolge des protokolls:

3. This meeting is totally confidential and must not be discussed outside this circle or put on the Internet.

6. We have something unique to offer: ...

8. Outreach Programs are meant to promote our Church's name and image, not to provide funds for other charities or donate our precious time to other organizations no matter how beneficial they may be. Let us not lose our focus.

15. We do not publish text words for our members before a service.

24. No sacraments or acts of blessing are to be scheduled in an outdoor service.

27. The subject of sisters greeting service attendees is being addressed by our Chief Apostle. We will not proceed until he decides what the policy shall be.

52. Sometimes our members start to "campaign" on a theme. Be careful when a subject is presented and ask yourself, do they have an agenda they wish to push? The Lord's work was established to prepare "the bride". We must not convert the Lord's work into a human institution."

63. Those counting offering must be keenly aware that this is and must remain totally confidential.

70. Anyone of our church members who is 95 years of age or older and cannot be located may be listed as deceased.

71. Anonymous Letters - We have tried to be very open, and we will consider anything that one brings to us in the utmost of confidence. However, any letters that arrive anonymously will not be read and will be shredded. We view this kind of correspondence as a complaint rather than constructive criticism.

besonders putzig ist natürlich auch

13. We must be very judicious in our approach in preserving the sanctity and dignity of God's house. We do not forbid; however, we must teach. We are not here to manipulate or dictate fashion, etc.

in verbindung mit

26. It is the wish of our Chief Apostle that our brothers and sisters be conservatively dressed for Services for the Departed.
28. It is our Chief Apostle's wish to have the altars decorated with white flowers for Services for the Departed.

abschliessend noch ein wort der warnung:

72. Concerning unauthorized New Apostolic websites and chat rooms - Brothers, do not get yourselves involved and, thereby, perhaps jeopardize our position by commenting on the discussions of these groups. You do not have authority to speak on behalf of the Church.

immerhin sechs dutzend punkte, was man zu tun oder zu lassen hat. da hat sich das neue testament doch wesentlich kürzer gefasst (siehe punkt 53).

mfg, _

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Ach so. Nicht wundern, micro-management war schon frueher ein hallmark fuer den Nordamerikanischen Bezirk. Aber was wissen wir schon ueber die Agenda europaeischer Synoden?

Ich dachte, es ginge um die Umstaende, wie die bisherige Verfassung zustande gekommen ist und die "Deaconess" anprangert.

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Vielleicht kann jemand diese Liste von Abspaltungen im NACboard noch ergaenzen?

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Wenn einer mal etwas zuviel Zeit hätte,
könnte man ein Darstellung dieser Art weiterführen

Ist schon interessant, wie viele Abspaltungen die apostolische Richtung durchlaufen hat.
Ich erinnere mich an die Worte von Prof. Obst in Halle...

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I don't get it.

An interesting analysis would be comparing over time the number of aposuls and bishops in the USA (and Canada maybe) vs. membership.

Why are six aposuls and seven bishops needed?
Is the fold twice or thrice as big when the list of apostles and bishops in the US was easy- 1 Fendt, 2 Vovaks, no bishops.

What justification is there for this expansion- more districts - so you need more district leaders?

Hey I know how big of a country this is, but no new territory has been added lately as I understand. I thought the overseas involvement was declining.


Hey Trike, how big is the hierarchy in CND?
I recall the days of Iron Mike, Wagner, Schwartzer, Horn, and Woll. Again no bishops.... why did the bishop (and the Shepherd) fall out of favor for so long in North America?

Later on
kbb

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Hinweis 1: in Amerika sprechen nur die NACler das 't' in 'apostle'. In der englischen Sprache waere es eigentlich stimmlos, daher kbb's Schreibweise 'aposul'.
Hinweis 2: Gruende fuer diese abweichlerische Aussprache sind sehr wahrscheinlich (a) die Tatsache, dass die NAC U.S.A. von ehemaligen Deutschen durchsetzt war und dass (b) deutsche hoehere ATs, die dort bei Besuchen gelegentlich zu hoeren sind, auch nicht gerade solche Feinheiten beachten.