Pedro???GG001 hat geschrieben:Happy Turkey-Day to all!
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GG001
Der Kommentar zum Stammapostelbesuch in 2010 sollte vielleicht besser unter Sonstiges oder Humor stehen. Nun ist es aber einmal in Englisch:
Sorry, I'm a sucker for word plays.Sept 5th is so close to Labor Day, maybe there is some mirror holiday strategy thing going on here with the NAC starting a new tradition in the celebration of Leber Day.CA Leber will also continue the tradition of every NAC Chief Apostle visiting Detroit since the Church was started in this area.
Leber's new motto Close a Kirche, Ich Villy komme! ...with 1-4-5
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GG001
December 1, 2009
Dear District Apostle Kolb:
Information contained in NAC USA website's brief historical summary of the New Apostolic Church/Catholic Apostolic is inaccurate and misleading.
==>NAC USA web site.
In addition, the Catholic Apostolic Church (CAC) apostles did not seal souls with the Holy Spirit. They acknowledged the validity of baptism in others and believed that it was THROUGH BAPTISM that one received the Holy Spirit of life and was brought into a state of grace. Apostles WERE NOT required to administer the Holy Spirit through baptism. The CAC's apostles' role was one of authority and to convey special gifts of the Holy Spirit of Power through "sealing" -- which in essence "activated" ministerial gifts. Originally, this "sealing" was intended only for ministers of any church. Following this "sealing" these ministers were instructed to continue ministering in their churches.
Although the CAC's intent was not to separate themselves from the Body of Christ by forming a new church many followers eventually began gathering regularly. Through those gatherings a church (not THE "Church") formed. It wasn't until 1847 that non-ministers were sealed with the intent that they, too, would become empowered to "minister" to the world as well by enlivening the gifts of the Holy Spirit that they had received at the time of Holy Baptism.
This information is verified by Graham Flegg in "Gathered Under Apostles, A Study of the Catholic Apostolic Church" . It is a well documented study based on a multitude of primary and secondary sources.
Sincerely,
Gayle Theilacker
Los Angeles Central Congregation
Aus dem NACboard.
"Trike Troll" fand Aehnliches auf der Seite der NAC CDN.
Dear District Apostle Kolb:
Information contained in NAC USA website's brief historical summary of the New Apostolic Church/Catholic Apostolic is inaccurate and misleading.
==>NAC USA web site.
The summary claims that when the apostles emerged after a year of study they "IMMEDIATELY began traveling, preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, sealing souls with the Holy Spirit..." This isn't true. When the apostles emerged, it was agreed upon that they would each travel in their respective areas for 1260 days (nearly 3 1/2 years) for the purpose of "learning" only.On October 31, 1832 the first Apostle of the second sending, John Bate Cardale, was called by divine prophesy. Over the next three years, eleven more men from various denominations, social positions and religious training were called to the Apostle ministry.
These Apostles withdrew for a year to study the Scripture and insure a complete understanding of their apostolic commission. When they emerged, the Apostles immediately began traveling, preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, sealing souls with the Holy Spirit, ordaining ministers for the care of the congregations and working to fulfill their commission of preparing souls for the coming of Christ. That work of grace and apostleship continues to this day.
In addition, the Catholic Apostolic Church (CAC) apostles did not seal souls with the Holy Spirit. They acknowledged the validity of baptism in others and believed that it was THROUGH BAPTISM that one received the Holy Spirit of life and was brought into a state of grace. Apostles WERE NOT required to administer the Holy Spirit through baptism. The CAC's apostles' role was one of authority and to convey special gifts of the Holy Spirit of Power through "sealing" -- which in essence "activated" ministerial gifts. Originally, this "sealing" was intended only for ministers of any church. Following this "sealing" these ministers were instructed to continue ministering in their churches.
Although the CAC's intent was not to separate themselves from the Body of Christ by forming a new church many followers eventually began gathering regularly. Through those gatherings a church (not THE "Church") formed. It wasn't until 1847 that non-ministers were sealed with the intent that they, too, would become empowered to "minister" to the world as well by enlivening the gifts of the Holy Spirit that they had received at the time of Holy Baptism.
This information is verified by Graham Flegg in "Gathered Under Apostles, A Study of the Catholic Apostolic Church" . It is a well documented study based on a multitude of primary and secondary sources.
"That work" does not continue today, as our official creed contradicts the Catholic Apostolic Church's understanding of Holy Baptism and Holy Sealing.That work of grace and apostleship continues to this day.
Sincerely,
Gayle Theilacker
Los Angeles Central Congregation
Aus dem NACboard.
"Trike Troll" fand Aehnliches auf der Seite der NAC CDN.
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i know it's a technicality, but i already can hear kolb arguing that work still continues, since the CAC apostles "gave up" on their original idea/inspiration and did not call any new apostles. at least, that seems to have been the party line up to now...GG001 hat geschrieben:"That work" does not continue today, as our official creed contradicts the Catholic Apostolic Church's understanding of Holy Baptism and Holy Sealing.That work of grace and apostleship continues to this day.
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shalom
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Auch die nordamerikanische Führung ist dabei, sich ein genehmes Grüppchen engagierter Christen (GEC) zu schaffen…wobei die neuapostolischen Säulen ja schon die Felsenämter sind... .
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shalom
…Pillars statt Pilgrimsnacpillars.com hat geschrieben:What is a New Apostolic Pillar?
The Pillar Mission Statement:
The New Apostolic Church Pillars are enthusiastic workers who serve and support the work of God. The Pillar group engages in congregational culture, mentors the youth and fosters missionary work by inspiring new ideas and perspectives.
. Auch die nordamerikanische Führung ist dabei, sich ein genehmes Grüppchen engagierter Christen (GEC) zu schaffen…wobei die neuapostolischen Säulen ja schon die Felsenämter sind... .
Napping
shalom
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GG001
December 9, 2009
Dear rectors,
Please be advised that the DSG will no longer be printed and sent to you starting January 2010. Our district can realize significant savings by distributing the DSG electronically. In the interests of good stewardship, the apostles and I feel that we must make this change and hope that you will make the necessary arrangements to retrieve this document as per the procedure below.
The January edition may be retrieved from the iMIS site. Thereafter, the DSG will be available on our new Minister Companion Website that you will be able to access January 1st. Complete instructions introducing this web site will arrive by email shortly. If this poses a difficulty for you, please consult with your district leader to create a solution.
Please receive special greetings from our Chief Apostle today,
With love,
LRK
Aus dem NACboard
DSG: Divine Service Guide
LRK: Leonard R. Kolb
Dear rectors,
Please be advised that the DSG will no longer be printed and sent to you starting January 2010. Our district can realize significant savings by distributing the DSG electronically. In the interests of good stewardship, the apostles and I feel that we must make this change and hope that you will make the necessary arrangements to retrieve this document as per the procedure below.
The January edition may be retrieved from the iMIS site. Thereafter, the DSG will be available on our new Minister Companion Website that you will be able to access January 1st. Complete instructions introducing this web site will arrive by email shortly. If this poses a difficulty for you, please consult with your district leader to create a solution.
Please receive special greetings from our Chief Apostle today,
With love,
LRK
Aus dem NACboard
DSG: Divine Service Guide
LRK: Leonard R. Kolb
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Dieter
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Das ist ein ganz normaler Vorgang, Dieter. Es gibt doch inzwischen eine ganze Anzahl von Produkten, bei denen Du Dir Deine Gebrauchsanweisung selbst ausdrucken "darfst", entweder vom Internet oder von einer beiliegenden CD-ROM / DVD.
Druckerzeugnisse lassen sich eben nicht zum selben niedrigen Preis wie eine Anweisung aus dem Internet herstellen. Trotzdem ist mir das, was ich im Pappkarton "schwarz auf weiss nach Hause tragen kann", um vieles lieber als diese vor allem fuer die Hersteller guenstigere Loesung.
Dass ich beim Ausdrucken Kosten habe, die sogar hoeher sein koennen als die eines Druckerzeugnisses, ist dabei noch gar nicht erwaehnt.
Druckerzeugnisse lassen sich eben nicht zum selben niedrigen Preis wie eine Anweisung aus dem Internet herstellen. Trotzdem ist mir das, was ich im Pappkarton "schwarz auf weiss nach Hause tragen kann", um vieles lieber als diese vor allem fuer die Hersteller guenstigere Loesung.
Dass ich beim Ausdrucken Kosten habe, die sogar hoeher sein koennen als die eines Druckerzeugnisses, ist dabei noch gar nicht erwaehnt.
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Lieber 42,
das ist auch etwas, was mich bei den ganzen Herstellern oft furchtbar ärgert. Da kauft man sich ein teures Hightechgerät für etliche hundert Euronen und dann kann man zuhause erst mal den Drucker anwerfen, um zu erfahren, wie es in Betrieb zu nehmen ist. Besonders ärgerlich, wenn es sich dabei selbst um einen Drucker handelt
Aber von einer Kirche erwarte ich, daß sie ihren Seelsorgern etwas an die Hand gibt. Wenn sich die DSG in Amerika oder die Leitgedanken hier finanziell nicht mehr rechnen würden, dann wäre soviel faul, daß man am besten über eine finale Lösung sich Gedanken machen sollte.
Organisatorische Mitteilungen könnten immer noch per Mail verschickt werden, kein Problem. Das kann man sich ausdrucken oder es bleiben lassen. Aber die Unterlagen zur Gottesdienstvorbereitung. Na ja, ich brauch sie ja nicht
das ist auch etwas, was mich bei den ganzen Herstellern oft furchtbar ärgert. Da kauft man sich ein teures Hightechgerät für etliche hundert Euronen und dann kann man zuhause erst mal den Drucker anwerfen, um zu erfahren, wie es in Betrieb zu nehmen ist. Besonders ärgerlich, wenn es sich dabei selbst um einen Drucker handelt
Aber von einer Kirche erwarte ich, daß sie ihren Seelsorgern etwas an die Hand gibt. Wenn sich die DSG in Amerika oder die Leitgedanken hier finanziell nicht mehr rechnen würden, dann wäre soviel faul, daß man am besten über eine finale Lösung sich Gedanken machen sollte.
Organisatorische Mitteilungen könnten immer noch per Mail verschickt werden, kein Problem. Das kann man sich ausdrucken oder es bleiben lassen. Aber die Unterlagen zur Gottesdienstvorbereitung. Na ja, ich brauch sie ja nicht
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